There is a lot of internal finish options available to the new pool owner. The main finish options can be broken down into 2 categories. It is either a fully tiled finish, or a render based hand applied finish.
It is accepted in the industry, and by people in the know, that a fully tiled finish is the premier concrete swimming pool finish option. Well applied tiles are a life long finish not prone to staining or discolouration and the feel of a tile underfoot is superior to often rough render based finishes.
The key to getting a Quality tiled pool is knowing that the pool builder or tiler is experience in building fully tiled pools and understands the large range of variables which need to be considered when applying tiles in the challenging environment which is a concrete pool shell.
Being in the game we see a lot of tiled pools and it is fair to say some of the tiling we see is not up to scrach. Standards have improved dramatically over the past few years with clients being more astute as to what will be excepted on a job but often tilers still get away with dishing up poor quality work.
At Minke Pools 90% of our pools are fully tiled. It is not an easy process , and it takes a lot longer than applying render based finishes but the results are worth the heart ache. We constantly strive to lift the bar in regards to internal finish standards and we believe our tiling is as good as anyone in the industries.
We use only MAPEI ™ glues and grouts which are specifically designed for pool applications. They have standard glues which we use for our ceramic projects and special liquid additives which we use when laying glass mosaics. Grouts are color fixed and once again designed for pool use.
Most of our pools will be covered when tiling the pool. This involves building a Dome style structure over the pool which remains in place during the tiling period. The dome protects the tiles and tilers from weather and creates a more stable temperature controlled environment.
Once the dome or cover is erected we can work in almost any weather conditions, and as most of the work to have a pool ready for summer goes on during the winter months in means no lost days.
We have very high standards as we believe when choosing a fully tiled pool the standard of finished tiling should reflect the premium nature of the finish. Pools are set out so as to minimise the need for unnecessary tile cuts. Tiles must be level and grout lines must line up. Tile modules must be calculated and laid in a considered manor.. Not however is easiest.. Sites must be clean and as the work is a finished product tiles should be protected accordingly by others working in the area after tiling has been completed. The complicated pool radius should be tiled neatly and all cuts must be accurate allowing for uniform grout lines. There should be no sharp edges which could cause injury to a bather.
The “you wont see it under water” line has traditional been used by tilers delivering inferior work and it is one of our most disliked sayings in the pool industry. The detail must stand up to scrutiny when the pool is empty and the result will be a pool which looks fantastic when filled with water.
So the question remains how do you know when buying a fully tiled pool that the tiling will be of a standard which reflects the cost and quality of the investment.
I would be cautious of the pool builder who does not recommend a fully tiled pool. Usually it would mean that they are not able to easily offer a fully tiled pool, as they may not have the highly experience staff or trade partners suitably qualified to produce such a finish.The rendered finish and waterline tile is the easy way to go as any tiler can do a waterline and the render is a quick 1 day application.
I would recommend looking at prior work and having a close look at the fine details. All pools look good from a distance but look up close at radius details , skimmer box tiling details, grout lines, step areas and tiling around infoor cleaning heads and pipe penetrations.
We focus on building fully tiled pools and it is our preferred pool finish. Be it Glass or Ceramic mosaic we can provide a fully tiled concrete pool which will stand the test of time.
A pool is a big investment and often when looking at the price of a new pool package the costs can seem very daunting.
The Extras that can be added to a pool will quickly add up and before you know it your $45,000 pool could be fast approaching $70,000.. The question with infloor cleaning, which is often the single largest extra you may add to your pool is, “Is it worth it?”
We have been installing infloor cleaning systems with Minke Pools ,and before that with many other pool companies, since their introduction into Australia more than 15 years ago. The general idea with the system is to have a separate pump and water circulation system that will return water to a series of directioal jets in the floor of the pool. These jets will blow all floor debris to a collection point where it is removed from the pool. The introduction of in-floor cleaning at the construction stage will remove any need to Vacuum the pool and the pool should be crystal clear all year round.
Infloor cleaning has been proven to not only be benifical to the pool cleanliness, but the increased water circulation has be proven to reduce chemical consumption and heating costs.
We use the Paramount infloor cleaning system as they are the industry leaders and innovators for continued development in regards to Infloor Cleaning world wide. They are an american based company and an individually designed infloor cleaning system plan is prepared for each individual pool. This design will take into account the individual pool size, floor depths, floor to wall transition profiles, entry steps and or swim out ledge etc. The result will be a unique infloor cleaning system designed to clean the specific pool.
The heads located in the floor of the pool fire at different intervals, controlled by a mechanical watervale and gear head. The system pictured is a “9 port” system so there will be 9 different cleaning zones in the pool. They fire in such a sequence so as to push all the floor waste to the safety suction shown at the deepest point of the pool.
To get a more complete picture of WHAT the system is and how it works please watch the video from Paramount.
As the infloor cleaning system in built into the concrete structure it is imperative that the system be installed at the construction stage. The system can be added to a pool renovation, or retro fitted, but the cost associated with demolishing large sections of the existing structure, and subsequent repairs may make the system cost prohibitive. If, as a client, i could not afford the complete infloor cleaning system i would still look at installing the components into the concrete shell for a subsequent installation of the remaining equipment at a later stage.
Discussed in the “What” section and clearly explained in the paramount video…There is a lot of reasons to install the system.
First and formost is the convenience and luxury of not having to do time consuming pool maintanance. The pool will look good and be swim ready at all times by cleaning itself.
The pool will use less chemical as the improved water circulation will aid in more efficient sanitation.
The pool will heat more evenly heated reducing heating costs.
Evaporation cause by temperature differences within the body of water will be reduced.
WHAT CAN GO WRONG:
The infloor cleaning system is designed in America and all hardware is supplied as part of the system. The key area where there could be issues is in regards to POOR INSTALLATION, and unfortunately it happens.
The flow that comes out of each nozzle is controlled by the water pressure delivered to each head. It is critical that the below shell plumbing design and installation is completed by an experienced pool plumber. The Plumbing has to be installed in such a way as to ensure even flow through each nozzle or some nozzels may return large amounts of water , and some very little or even none. It is important that the infloor cleaning is installed prior to any steel works so that the best under floor plumbing design can be set up to ensure even flow to all nozzles.
The equipment: It is important that the right sized pump is used to mazimise the efectiveness of the infloor cleaning system. A pump that is too small will not deliver the required water pressure to each nozzel and there may also be insufficient suction to remove the debris at the main drain collection point.
Safety compliant plumbing: It is important that the system is installed as per manufacturer recommendations as poorly installed main-drains and safety suction breakers can pose a very real risk of entrapment and even death by drowning.. This may sound serious..and it is…
Plumbing depth: It is important that all pipe work is buried deep enough under the pool shell to ensure the nozzles can recess back into the pool floor. We have seen pools where the elbows are too close to the surface and the nozzle remain proud of the internal finish, unable to fully with draw back into its body. Not a good look.
In general it is important that the infloor cleaning system is installed with great care by an experience and licensed installer. As it is installed below the concrete pool floor the plumbing has to last as long as the pool so every join and glued fitting must be of the highest integrity.
Often a pool builder may be licensed to install the product, but they may then subcontract out the critical installation to an unlicensed sub contract pool plumber. Check with your pool builder to ensure they are licensed to install the product and that they are installing the below ground plumbing works in house.
The addition of an infloor cleaning system can add anywhere from $7000 to $20,000 to the cost of the swimming pool. The price is dependent on the pool design and the requirements of the system. A complex pool and spa with balance tanks, weirs and spa that all require cleaning will cost a lot more that a simple 6 x 3 meter rectangular pool.
An infloor cleaning system is fast becoming a standard inclusion in most high end concrete swimming pools . As it is an item that cant be added later it is important to consider the inclusion very carefully during the pool design and quotation stage.
I would compare it to air conditioning in cars ,where as air conditioning use to be an extra or option when buying a new car ,it is now a standard inclusion as the value of the systems far outways the inconvenience of not having it. In my opinion unless you really enjoy pool maintenance, which most people don’t, and if you want your pool to be seen as a value adding item to you property i would install an infloor cleaning system over any other pool option.
We love what we do and we continually strive the build the best pools in melbourne. This is our mission and our goal.
I have been relecting lately on why we love building pools so much. It is hard dirty work , hot in summer, wet in winter , dusty, muddy and dangerous. For me my answer is as follows.
Growing up with pools
Growing up we did not have a pool, but some of my best memories are of days and nights spent at friends pools.
As a child it was the days playing around the pool, pool games such as marco polo and handstands. Swimming underwater from end to end and holding your breath as long as you could while fetching sunken objects off the pool floor.
As a teen it moved to jumping push bikes into pools, launching of roofs into the deep end and eventually long nights sitting in the spa drinking beers with friends. Very rarely did it involve laps ….but it was always great fun.
Now an adult and homeowner i see the value of a swimming pool in a different light. When i jump in a newly finished pool now i get a feeling of complete luxury. What a joy and luxury it is to be able to have the space to dive into your own backyard pool and splash around. Your own oasis where you can relax and entertain without any interference form the outside world. The kids and their friends will never be far away on a hot day or balmy night because where else would they rather be.
The Pool as an idea
Building pools now i realize i have had a long love affair with the idea of pools… The hoolwood movie pools and movies about pools have always been a favorite for me. Although they were before my time i like to “The swimmer” with burt lancaster is a real showpiece of American pools in the 60’s as he swims from the river to his house doing laps in every backyard pool he passes on the way.
Also “Dont make waves” the 1967 tony curtis film where tony plays Carlo Cofield a malibu based swimming pool salesman. The movie is based on california beach culture in the 60’s and showpieces some great pools and realestate from the era.
The idea of a pool is really what drives the demand for pools. The idea that you can own your own piece of paradise.
Your own oasis or holiday destination where you need only travel to your back door.
The idea of a design feature in your private landscape that could be seen in a magazine or on a movie set, or in a music video clip with bikini clad girls….. if thats the idea.
The idea is different for everyone and it is very emotional. The great thing with pools is that although the idea is one of extreme luxury it is attainable. There are many options to suit varied budgets…… so the dream can become a reality.
Pushing design and inovation
My passion for pools has now moved to a new stage where i am literally addicted to them. I love the intricacies in design and the behind the scenes working of a pool. To the owner it has to be simple to operate and clean and polished in design but to make this happen there is a lot of thought and construction knowledge required to ensure it is built well. Structurally and hydraulically there is a lot that can be done wrong when building pools and one mistake at the construction stage is one too many.
I now enjoy researching cutting edge pool designs from around the world. Following architects from today and the past in their design and intergration of pools into landscapes and home designs. I enjoy watching trends in pool design come and go and keeping note of what seems to be timeless.
At Minke pools we really enjoy the challenge of complex designs in pool and spa construction. I find the pool with even one small design feature that may be a point of difference a joy to build , and i love watching an idea sketched out on paper becoming a full scale construction and finished product of exceptional quality.
A lot of pool companies build pools as a soulless business concern.They focus on numbers and turnover and have a primary focus on costs. What it will cost them to build it ..and how can we cost in same additional variations.
We believe we are the best pool builders in melbourne because we love what we do. We love the process and the result and most of all i love being able to provide a client with a pool that meets their Idea of what a pool is ,and should be, to them and their family. To meet the need created by the idea.
The pool inside a pool renovation project is now complete.
1. This is what we were first greeted with. Massive old pool in good condition but far to big and very dated.
Originally a large pool the pool was shortened to become more of a coutyard feature.
Infloor cleaning, spa jets, solar heating was all incorporated into the new design.
2. This is at concrete stage with the old pool still visible behind.
The pool is fully tiled in an italian 200 x200 ceramic tile with 200 x 50mm rectangular tiles used to tile the curved walls.
Entry steps are finished in travatine to match the coping and the pool surrounds and paved in a feature cobble style paver.
A watertank was put in the old part of the original pool shell as part of the water conservation plan.
3. Tiled about to lay travatine.
4. Complete… the dawn of a new pool. Photos taken at day break this morning.
The pool is finished and ready to provide years of family fun and entertaining.
Landscape design by Paul Bangay and pool designed by Minke pools in conjunction with SJB architects.
Pool was built in conjunction with Krongold Constructions.
We are very happy with the result. Our hands on approach to building pools ensures we maintain our uncompromising high stardards on every project we do and the result, even on the closest inspection, will not disappoint.
Stay tuned more completed pools to come in the next few weeks.
Today we start work on our next feature project.
11 x 5 meter pool with infloor cleaning and waterfeature spillways. With a landscape designed by paul bangay the pool will be fully tiled in white bisazza tiles, with white marble surrounds.
There will be 3 full length entry steps down one of the 11 meter sides of the pool with feature strip led lights under each step tread.
This pool is going to be a real head turner so we will post some images in our “current” jobs section when we reach concrete stage.
The weather isn’t ideal but we’ll soldier on. Pool building in winter is hard work.. but is really the time of year that the bulk of the work has to happen to ensure eager clients are swimming by the coming pool season. The hard work now makes for an easier run into the silly season.
Any pool contractor that says than can start a project in October and have it finished by Christmas..”Guaranteed” .. is a BS artist.
Well its our first rain day in a while so i’ve updated the web page.
The objective of this newly fashioned web page is to make our site more interesting and helpful to current and prospective clients as a reference point for getting in touch and staying in touch. We aim to update the web site continually so don’t forget to check back and see what we’ve been doing. We have put this page together ourselves without any professional help so excuse any rough edges.. We are in the pool building business …. Not the web design business..
As Melbourne based swimming pool builders this new site will show our “current projects” which are at different stages of completion, as well as “completed” projects which can act as inspiration to potential clients.
Have a look around the site and if you have any feed back you can email us from the “contact” page , join our facebook group, or find us on twitter.
Don’t be fooled by the weather. Before you know it it’s going to be warm again and you’ll be thinking “why didn’t i put the pool in this year.”
We look forward to developing the new web site image base and featuring some amazing new pools that we have on the go at the moment and are due to finish this year.